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Episode 288 – All That Old News (And Then Some)

So by now you’ve heard all about this from any number of other sources, but you still haven’t heard it from us!  At the San Diego Comic Con and Pax Australia, Wizards decided to announce a lot of nonsense about the future of Magic.  So of course, we decided to give our two cents about all of that.  There’s plenty of talk about some upcoming Helvault-style silliness for Theros, From the Vault: Twenty reveals, Commander previews, and probably some other stuff.

Then we went with a listener idea! Our old buddy Beach (no longer Beach, but it’s how everyone knows him) asked us to hit the Commander Banned List and give our opinions on the cards there.  So we went through all of them, rattling off reasons why we think each card should or should not be on the list.  Then we threw out a few cards that we think probably should be on there that currently aren’t.  It was a fun discussion, we hope you guys enjoy it!

The Deck Brian liked

SCG’s SDCC roundup

GM’s SDCC roundup

Commander preview cards

New Commander product

Extended is dead



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  1. Myke Okuhara
    August 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Rules for Playing Tomato Format:

    Tomatoes are fruits, yet everyone calls them vegetables.  In that same spirit, the Tomato format changes how card types are referenced during a game.  Whenever a card references a card type, a simple replacement effect takes place.  Replacements are as follows:

    -“land” becomes “creature”
    -“creature” becomes “land”
    -“enchantment” becomes “artifact or planeswalker”
    -“artifact” and “planeswalker” become “enchantment”
    -“instant” becomes “sorcery”
    -“sorcery” becomes “instant”

    As examples, Doom Blade becomes “Destroy target non-black land” and can be used to destroy a Mountain.  Dispel becomes “Counter target sorcery” and can counter a Fireball.  Voltaic Key has “1: Untap target enchantment”…  yeah, they’re not all going to make sense.  Tomato may make some cards better, some cards worse, some cards pointless, and some cards broken.  Them’s the breaks.

    A couple of notes:
    -Tomato doesn’t change any rules of the game, just what’s printed on a card.  You can still only cast sorceries at sorcery speed even though they’re called instants, creatures still die if they have zero toughness even though a land wouldn’t, etc.
    -The one exception is reminder text.  For instance, a creature with Devour X with the reminder text means you can sacrifice any number of “lands” to give the creature X +1/+1 counters as it comes onto the battlefield.  A creature with flash can still be cast as an instant, UNLESS it has flash with the reminder text (since it would then only be able to be cast at any time a “sorcery” could be played).
    -A card’s type, supertype, and subtype are unaffected.  A Fireshrieker is itself still an “Artifact – Equipment” and can still attach for 2… though it can only attach to a land, so good luck with that. Again, an equipment without the equip reminder text would attach to a creature as normal.
    -Whenever a player tries to target the incorrect kind of permanent or spell with a card OR vocalizes the wrong card type when referring to a card or card text, that player either loses one life, or the player to the left gains one life (the player to the left chooses).
    -Upon winning a game, a player must throw his or her hands into the air (as if he or she just did not care) and yell “TOMATO!” within five seconds.  Failure to do so causes the game to end in a draw instead.

    Well, that’s Tomato, which may or may not actually work as a game type; honestly I didn’t give much thought as to how broken a format it may or may not be.  It’s probably just as tasteless and fun to play with as an actual tomato.  So try out the Tomato format today, and if you have recommendations or questions on the Tomato format, SEND US AN EMAIL!

    • Greg (MadStorkMSU)
      August 8, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

      Came for Tomato, was not disappointed.

    • Onas
      August 9, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

      Are their official pronunciation requirements for the winning cry of “TOMATO!”? It would be a real shame to slog through an actual game of Tomato Format only to end up calling the whole thing off.

  2. David
    August 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    In non-tomato related comments, I hope the returning future sight mechanic isn’t enchantment creatures. That’s kinda boring. My hope is for aura swap, as I think it’s a fun mechanic and could fit easily in an “enchantment matters” block. Otherwise I’m betting delve, as Maro tried to work it into Innistrad and couldn’t make it work. In a Greek themed set, pulling power/energy/souls from the underworld for more power makes some kind of sense.

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